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We hope you enjoy your trip down memory lane here in Abercarn. If you recognise any of the pics, please use the comments box to share them with all of us.
My great great grandfather, John Lee died in the Abercarn Mining disaster aged 24. He lived at 2 Iron Row. I know it was by The Ranks in Abercarn but where can i find a map that shows exactly where it was?
don't know where you'll find the book-though the library sounds a good bet to start.
christine powell shop row was about 50yds north of the old swan inn with a bailey wall in front of it which is still there today.
don't really know why they were knocked down unless dereliction forced it.
Norm Williams and Brian Williams thankyou for the replies would that book you mentioned be in one of the local libaries. I cannot picture where shop row would of been do you know why it was demolished and Celyn Row ? Its funny how a lot of the old buildings are still here and some were demolished. I wish we had a local history group in the Abercarn /Newbridge area so we could all learn from each other.
christine powell; there is a photo of shop row inReg Jones "spooner's"self published book ,the name escpes me however his son Glyn Jones posts on here and may be able to help tjhere.
Pam -there were shops opposite the garn,if you go toOLDUKPHOTOS.COM/MONMOUTHSHIRE then click on abercarn you will find photos showing them.
yes there was a pop factory up the distillery.
hope this helps.
Christine, the "Welsh Church" is immediately below St Lukes church and unfortunaely is in a poor state of repair and facing closure,
I was only talking about the Polka the other evening with a couple of old boys, one of them a local born and bred , he didnt know the origins of the unusual name, i do hope someone can throw a light as i would be very intertested myself
Does any one know if there are any photos of shop row in any of the local history books
Does anyone know is the welsh church built by Lady Lanover still there if so were is it situated
anybody know where the polka hill got its name? i only heard recently the hill by St Lukes is referred Twyn Hill, also i'm sure i recall a shop past the Garn going towards Chapel of Ease there is a recollection of my brother going in while marching from the Garn. Was there a 'pop' factory over the distillery as my late Dad said?
Hello Dianne.Thank you for the 2013 wishes,and the same to you and your family,and best wishes to your mom.I wasn't quite sure if your mom was still around but iI am sure she is doing very well living in Newport,What part of Newport does she live?How is Philip these days,i cann't remeber the last time i saw Philip,last i heard he was living up the northern part of England.Please give him my regards and best wishes for 2013.Yes this is a good site to meet the people that we went to school with or know people from the surounding areas.Anyway Dianne take care hope to hear from you again.All the Best Glyn&Lynne
hello Glyn, this is Dianne Packer ( now Elam) from Oak St. I have just found this site and rang my mother, Mary, and she wants me to send you her best wishes. She will be 86 next month and often talks fondly of your mum and your dad. She spent Christmas here with us in the West End but has lived in Newport for over 25 years. So, although we are well into january, best wishes to you and your family for 2013
Hello Pam.Thank you for replying to my e-mail so quickly,yes I do remeber all those people you mentioned,Graham and i use to be pretty go friends he use to live at the top of high medow then he moved to the bottom of the pant.I can remeber these houses being built which they moved into.Yes i did attend abercarn school then moved down to cwmcarn school.Not sure if you remeber Nigle Derrick,Pat handcock,Judith Garland.Actually was visiting abercarn one year and met Ann Meredith at the cemetry of all places.I was visitng my parents who have taken up lodgings there.I traveled to Canada in 1974 with Abercarn rugby club on the eastern side i realy liked this area.I applied for a job with a mining company which took us to Alberta,which we have been here since 1980,i have three boys,34,28,21,been married since 1976 to a girl from Newport i have been back to abercarn quite number of times visiting family and friends,mainly nobby way.
Anyway Pam i hope you will keep in touch its nice communicating with peopl that i attended school with.
Hi Glyn I think i remember you may have been the same year in west end there was Joy wilcox, Valerie Maiden, Linda Pewtner, Ann Meredith, Penny Forbes (Doctor Forbes daughter) I seem to remember a Graham Mustoe (think he moved away) West End school we played rounders on a nice day in a field towards Pantyresk and remember the arches in the girls yard, yes girls and boys had separate yards, what else the coke fire in I think Mrs Olivers class, where they defrosted the school milk, oh Christmas party you had to take your own dish and spoon. Now the other milkman Ginger yes lived next to Mr Colins and I believe Mrs Woodhouse whose house was used for voting in the elections. My brother is five years older he did play a bit of sport but there is another Terry Evans from either Newbridge or Pant who played Rugby you may be thinking of him. So how come you went to Canada, I'm trying to think if you went to Cwmcarn School after West End. Regards Pam
Hello Pam.My name is Glyn jones,i use to live in chapel street.I too remember lewis collin and his son Lewis.Actually iuse to work for Gordon Smith thts was the other milkman who lived next door to Lewis collins. to attended the west end school probably around thesame time as you,i was born i 53.Lots of memoriesof abercarn not to mention Johns cafe.I am trying to place your brother terry,did he play any sport?I sill visit abercarn and i still have a brother still living in chapel street. I dd leave the area in 1980 i now live in Canada.Still know lots of people in the area.Ths is a pretty good site to communicate with people that either still live in thearea or have moved away.
All the best.
sorry old Mr Colins not Lewis
i was born in bryn road llanfach in1954, there were not many children there then my elder brother terry and i would play tennis on the road so few cars about, the trewen was a regular haunt, watching the sheep being sheered at the farm shed by clytha square, fetching water when the water went off at the pipe at the distillery ,if we run out of milk it was up to Mr Colin's house either he or Lewis would oblige, old Mr Lewis alweays referred to me as grampa's beauty, he was a regular sunday morning caller i believe he and my granch had conversation in welsh. my brother and i attended the garn on sundays keeping a few pence back to be spent at johns cafe, marching was an event we had new clothes for that and the garn christmas party was a wrapped bar of chocolate with a hanky, the other big event the fair coming to the distillery, and my great joy chapel of ease open air baths, west end junior were i attended no matter how cold they took us there but for me school holidays would find me and it was a great social meeting place ahh happy days.
HI..interesting seeing your name! i guess you are the sister of Cameron?
How is he? Was speaking to mr and mrs James and Sally 2 weeks ago! small world
sorry haven't looked on here for a while. Don was my grandmothers brother. She was Margaret Smith that lived on Sycamore Tce, she passed away a few years ago now.
colin was a very good Friend of Mine.
I only met Don a few times as a child and weirdly I am also named after my dad who in turn was named after Don. Sarah Thomas-Welch had told me she had been tracing the family name right back. How are you specifically related to Don?
Colin just passed away my 2nd oldest brother 13/march/2012 we lived no 1 sycamore
Abercarn baths! what memories.Through the turnstile, down past the diving boards to the changing rooms, put your stuff in the locker then come out through the adjacent mens/ladies openings. Make your way up to the concrete steps to get a pitch (The grassy bit above was for older boys and their girlfriends!) have a freezing swim and then warm youself up with a plastic cup of oxtail soup, a packet of crisps and a stick of hard basstts liquorice. After spending nearly all day there going blue,getting pruned fingers and trying to dry yourself in a soaking wet towel, it would be home for tea with wiberrie tart and ideal milk! Brilliant memories!
Thanks all :)
Reference Abercarn Lido; it was at the bottom of Chapel Of Ease, High Meadow,cross over the canal bridge, approx 50yds on the left would be the entrance there was a small shop which sold ice cream and crisps etc. run by I believe Annie Gordon??
The history of Abercarn bathes should be available from Caerphilly County Borough Council. (01495 226622) The bathes were built and run by Abercarn Urban District Council during the 1950's and mid 1960's. My mother worked there as a "cashier" for quite a few years in the late 1950's but can't remember when it was closed. Freedom of Information Act should ensure you get all the detail required.
I'm researching the history of Abercarn for an English assignment and I was wondering if anyone had any information regarding the old lido? When it was built/opened etc and when it closed. I can't seen to find out anything about it apart from a photo in a book at Risca Library so if anyone could help me out it would be appreciated. Thanks, in advance.
Mike Haines was my cousin . . . his mam, my gorgeous aunty Bessie - never saw her with teeth in !! BUT what a woman . . ."Al'right my cocker ?' . . .I can picture her saying it now !!! Great memories.
You made me remember my mam's home made winberry tart. Lovely. And the outdoor baths at Abercarn, where I learned to swim. Used to spend each and every day there in the school holidays - along with all my friends and family . . . .can't believe it was allowed to go to rack and ruin by the then council. Shoul never have happened.
I remeber delivering newspapers to Celynen Row in the 40`s It was supposed to be my brother`s round but he was often late and needed my help to finish in time for school
Does anyone remember sliding down the 'polka hill' in the snow? taking picnics up the Trewen or going over the spiteful and picking wimberries up the mountain...swimming in Abercarn bathes, picking watercess over the park where the old pop factory used to be...what a happy carefree childhood we had.
i remember delivering Sunday newspapers with my granfather to Celynen row in 1960's. We would always pop into Micheal Haines house where his mother would give us a cup of tea...we then walked through the celynen south pit across to High Meadow and Persondy...i remember getting paid 15/- which was quite a lot of money then...oh! to be that again.
HI Celynen Row was nearer Newbridge.but quite close to the pit . The new houses by the West End are built on the site of the colliery itself
Thankyou sylvia I have found them are the new houses in west end on the site of Celynen Row or were they further up by Newbridge??
On page 52 of a book called Pantside, Newbridge and Crumlin by David Taylor there are 2 photographs of Celynen Row. Its published by Old Bakehouse Publications
Thankou Brian for our repl do ou know of any photographs of these buildings also why they were demolished??
Celenyn Terrace, was I believe Celenyn Row, which was sited adjacent the Celenyn South Colliery, on the Broad from West End to Newbridge. Shop Row was sited between Abercarn village(Town Centre) ans Cwmcarn on the old road.
Sorry about the three previous entries onl one intended
Hello just found out some of my ancestors lived in Celynen Terrace listed there on 1911 cenus where would this of been b in Abercarn near where any landmarks etc now also some other family in Shop Row would this of been the Ranks
Hi was interested to see you was born in Celymen terrace my family lived there in 1904
hello Sylvia, thank you for your input, I am not that good on remembering names either. Laurence
Hi Laurence thanks for your answer. I`m sure I would have known most of the people you mention but I`ve never been good at remembering names Thanks again
Hello Sylvia. my granmother lived in Tollus street, her name was Elizabeth Gough or Tattershall, and my Aunty Maud lived in your Street, Part of the Markey family lived in the front street overlooking the rugby ground, he was known as Ken Markey and the others lived in Greenfield. I don't know if any of this would be familiar to you.
I lived in Blaen Blodau street but since starting family history I became very interested in the history of Newbridge
Thank you Sylvia, Did you Live there??
Celynen Row was built in 1881 and was demolished in 1968
Dear Pat, are you any relation to Sandra Rossitor who went to school in Abercarn around 1950-1960 Many thanks
Has anyone any details of when Celynen Terrace was built and when it was demolished. I was born there at no 15. in 1945 and lived there until I was approx 8 years old when we moved to High Meadow no 71
May I suggest that this message be posted on the Newbridge page on this site?
Trying to find out about my grandparents have names and a address for where they lived in 1925 8 Golden Grove Newbridge Reginald Bernard Thomas and Margaret Mary Thomas formerly Williams had a son and a daughter sons name Thomas Henry Bernard and sisters name I believe was Margaret.
Hi. i am new to this site and was wondering if there was nayone that might remember my grandafather or his family on here. He was Colin Campbell Jones b.1916 in Abercarn He and his family lived on woodland terrace. Would love to hear from anyone who has info on the family.
I find reading very interesting about past years gone by in Abercarn, My connection is my father lived in Abercarn as a child ....he came in Australia at age 15 in 1929 on his own.
I have a question can anyone recall
Ethel Elizabeth Griffiths nee Lewis who died abt 1967 at The Firs, Islwyn St, Abercarn . I am researching Lewis families in Abercarn .Would love to hear from any possible connections reply to
Thanks & await any reply
I lived in Sycamore Terrace and remember Mrs Smith. Her son Colin was a mate of mine in junior school
Jason, Don Thomas is my great Uncle. I am the granddaughter of Margaret Smith that lived on Sycamore Tce who passed a few years back. I am living in Perth western Australia and have been tracing my family. I have been in contact with Sarah Thomas Welch who has given me a lot of information. I would love to see a photo of the Ranks where my family lived. Kathryn
does any reader have a photo of High Meadow House that they can post. This property was a favorite residence of my forebears and was at one time the subject of a 1848 court case between the Estate of Ben Hall and some Glover descendents over interpretation of of the Will of Phillis GLOVER. Judgement was in favour of the Hall's. Robert Glover
Abercarn House photo found and sent via question board. Robert Glover
Will try Llanover Office and look forward to you posting your photo.
Brian, i do have a rather poor xerox copy of photo of Abercarn House reproduced in a 1950's publication, the original photo was maybe taken 20 years earlier. Some reader will no doubt know. I will find it and post it. Perhaps the Llanover Estate Office have photo's - i never got around to asking them.
No, I have never played rugby, although I am 6'4" so should have really! I think you are correct, Don was a very keen gardener as well as growing his own veg, I am glad to hear he was popular locally.
Sorry to hear about Don Thomas. I think he was a freiend of my late fathers, and they often competed in the harvest festivals at Abercarn Top Club. Butch Thomas is another I remember, as he was a colourful character within the village. Eeryone liked Butch Thomas. He was popular workmate of all that knew him in Abercarn Tin Works during the mid to late 1900's.
Are you Jason Thomas a former Abercarn RFC player and captain?
I unfortunately recently attended my great uncles funeral, Mr Donald Thomas. The funeral was in Pontywaun and I was lucky enough to meet my oldest surviving family relative, my great uncle Jack from Abercarn. I met him at the wake at the Abercarn Top Club. I met a member of the family, Sarah Welch, who told me she has traced the family back to the 1500's, UNBELIEVABLE!
Great thought that an ancestor of the residents of Abercarn House read this site. Does any one possess a photograph of Abercarn House? It can be sent to the site domain via "your question board". It is key to Abercarn's history.
Hello from downunder, before Ben Hall Snr and the Llanovers, Abercarn House, High Meadow, House, Tyla Coch House, and indeed the manor or Lordship of Abercarn were the residences of the my GLOVER ancestors from about 1760 to 1808. I consider Abercarn my ancestral home and will one day return.
Thank for these web pages - they are wonderful reading.......
Can anyone give me any details on the Burnett family from The Ranks Abercarn. The mother was mt great Aunt Effie mabel Burnett.
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me find out info on my Great Grandfather Daniel Alfred Jones. He died in 1953, and his last address was 11 woodland terrace. I do know that he worked in the mine and so did his father Daniel Jones and his brothers. Any help will be appricated.
Having spoken to my parents I now know their parents grew up in "The Ranks." Can anyone tell me if they remember Arthur "Butch" Thomas, along with his siblings Mary, Don, Roy, Margaret, Cliff, Joan, Eddie and Jack. The other side of the famil were the Court's, Gwyneth, Roy, Kath, Iris and Trevor. This would have been between the 30's and 50's so any help would be great.
I have been told that the miners that were left underground were in an area between Cwmcarn and Crosskeys. The South broke into the area but dis not explore it out of respect.
Regarding the memorial to the miners who lost their lives in the Abercarn Mining Disaster, I was present at the dedication being the great grand-daughter of one of the miners I was very moved by this and in my opinion the memorial is in the right place.
What some people don't understand is that placing it at Prince Of Wales Industrial Estate would not be the ideal place because sadly those men and boys that perished are not there but underground up to a mile from the pit entrance.
Abercarn is a place that family like myself can go and place a flower in memory of a kloved one. can't have seen that happening at the Industrial Estate.
The Argus had three complaints off those that disagreed, a couple of those who complained had no connection to those named on the memorial list.
The new memorial is sited in Abercarn cemetary. Not the perfect site for this memorial, but at least there is a memorial to the memory of those lost in The Prince of Wales Colliery disaster.
I hope you are doing well. I have not seen your dad for a while. They have just put a memorial up in Abercarn for the mine disaster but it is in the wrong place according to the Argus.
I live in Rogerstone so I will have to pop up and see where they have stuck it. Nothing much has changed in Abercarn. The railway has opened up but they did not re-open the Abercarn station. There is only Newbridge, Crosskeys, Risca and Rgerstone. Its great for shopping in Cardiff.
All the best Pete
I was 24 when we left for Canada, I moved to the USA when my present wife and I got married. Still miss Wales/Abercarn [GODS COUNTRY], we visit when ever we can. Like you we are very happy where we are.
I was 26 when I left Abercarn, lived in Sandiego for 15 yrs then up state NY for about 7 and now Ilive in Tucson AZ.
I will soon be on the move again going back to Sandiego and that's where I hope to be for the rest of my day's.My husband and I desided we need to make this our last move...
I must say I have been blessed with a wonderful life..
How old were you when you left Abercarn. I am alway's interested in the lifes of people who left and how there lifes turned out...
Alma. I just turned 57, I live in Canada for 14 years and moved to the USA in 1991
Toni, I have been living in the usa for 23 yrs. If you don't mind me asking how old are you. I was 7 yrs old when I moved up to llanfach and now I am 51.
Alma. I remember the Bush house, just down from the old canal bridge. I remember Johnny Peckham and his wife Dot, and of coarse Ann Hodge and the rest of the very nice Hodge family.
I am now living in Maryland, USA
Toni Spencer, do u remember the Bush house. My family used to live there then we moved up to llanfach.I remember you used to live in Ranks.
Do you remember Jonny Peckam and his wife she was a chimney sweep. Ann Hodge used to baby sit for us.
This is a Photo of Collery, we used to go over bridge by salvation army,across where Bomb shelter was, climb down wall on to railway line on our way to Welfare. coming out by coalboard offices. garfield jones Father, Wilf worked in Engineering shop, we used to call in to see Him.
DOC COOPER, yes I am sure he has a lot of good stories. Tony
Yes, Abercarn Hal stood opposite Abercarn Baths. Was talking to Doc Cooper recently regarding his childhood exploits at both buidings. It was hilarious. Abercarn Hall/House was the home of Lady Llanover for many generations and of course she married Benjamin Hall, the designer/manufacturer of Big Ben, now sited at The Houses of Parliament in London.
OK I will send you a message now.
With regards to this site, was the old house that used to stand opposite the entrance to Abercarn baths named Abercarn Hall, I remember it as ruin but it was quite a big house
Message recieved but I could not reply as your "domain refused to accept!"
Brian, I sent you an e-mail via the Abercarn RFC web site with my e-mail address please keep in touch. Tony
YES of Abercarn RFC. Good to hear from you. How are you? I'm trying to write some detail of Abercarn RFC's history. A paragraph or two from an Abercarnian in exile would be welcomed. Have met Dereck and Ray a few times in the past 12 months, but have not heard of, or seem Mike and Mary. Any photos or memories you may have can be sent to Abercarn RFC for my attention, or via the WRU website to ARFC.
Brian Watkins, of Abercarn Rugby ??
I remember as a child playing around what was left of Abercarn Hall wasn;t that the house of Lady LLanover. I was raised in the Ranks and now live in the USA
I recognise The Rhysswg behind the chimney stack; the village, including The Ranks and Abercarn Hall. Can anyone confirm that the buildings adjacent the chimney stack are part of The Prince of Wales Colliery?
Ebenezer Rogers - Abercarn Hall
My great-great grandfather born in 1810 lived in Abercarn Hall from about 1850 until his death in 1862. He ran Abercarn Colleries from 1845 to 1851(at least). He contributed much to pit safety. In 1850s he was President of S Wales Inst. of Engineers and received many prizes. Any info about Mr Rogers most welcome.David Smith
Don, Thanks for sharing the photos. Cilgwyn may be in ruins now but I am sure we both have some nice memories. EP Thomas and Emlyn Stephens were our mentors in those days. No one like them about now.
Chris - I think I went to Cilgwyn around the same time as you - it iis indeed in a sad state now - some pics here:
Sorry to Elaine and the congregation of Cae Gorlan. Didn't realise there is still a place of worship there, as I thought it was part of the flats built on the Junior School site. Appologies to all.
Don yes I did go to Cilgwyn, I think in 1963 and 64. I remember we had the services of a single deck Western Welsh bus for touring. We had pageant one evening and a group of us did a f"uneral" for the railways following Dr Beechings axe. Cilgwyn is currently in a bad state and was recently advertised for sale on the net. Those days seem from a different planet now.
Chris - did you ever go to the summer schools at Cilgwyn, Newcastle Emlyn?
I lived in Rogerstone in the 60s and went to Newbridge Grammar school ( a long story why).
I went to Bethesda Baptist Chapel Rogerstone and knew Oliver Thorne the Abercarn shopkeeper as our chapel youngsters had onging joint meetings with the one at Chapel of Ease. I was passing through last year and saw that Thorne's shop is long gone.My old school has not changed much in the front but the modern bits are built on the hallowed turf of what was the school rugby field. I had a friend Mike Benjamin who lived in Abercarn but we lost touch over the years. I really loved the valleys as they had more snow in the winter than where I lived! I am 62 now and live in England. But this year is a golden one for an expat... a grand slam and Newport County at Wembley... joy!
I will always be a western valley boy at heart!
The Welsh Church is not the only place of worship left in Abercarn - there is Cae Gorlan Chapel in West End and it is still going despite its small congregation. Mr Mann is the minister there and Denise Webb (nee Drew) the secretary.
Forunately there is a small group of Abercarn "elders" that are supporting the current vicar in trying to keep the church open. Think finance is the main issue but at least someone is trying to maintain and improve Abercarn!
It's sad to think that as a child growing up in Abercarn we had seven churches and chapels and seven pubs and clubs. My friends and i would take it in turns to visit each place of worship (not the pubs at that time). St. Lukes for the girl's friendly society, Central Hall to be in the anniversaries, the Garn for it's youth club and the Salvation army now and again to here the band. Saturday mornings were very often spent watching the various weddings taking place. I am suprised the Welsh church is not protected by the National hertitage fund.
I di indeed know and respect Terry very much. I remember him playing and captaining Abercarn RFC for many years.
As for the church closure "rumours" I can only say that following a village meeting attended by County Councilors Denver Preece and Ken James the matter was left to the "powers to be" to determine the strength of support in the village in order to assess what to do next.
Denver has since told me that the Church have been renting the property from The Weslh Presbitarians, but now the lease is coming to an end. The Church of Wales do not want to take charge of a building in need of urgent repairs.
Denver told me, perhaps confidentially that the outlook for sustaining the church looks bleak.
Personnally I would love the building to be sustained as it is now the only place of worship in Abercarn!
My very good neighbour a man i am certain you will know , Mr Terry Iles attends the welsh church every Sunday taking his dogs Tara and Loisin along with several other dog owners . i often talk of the church with him, he has not mentioned the possibility of its closure is there a reason for the possible closure?
You're correct Ruth. It would be terrible to loose Lady Llanovers church, the last place of worship to remain in Abercarn! There has been a public meeting, but I don't know the result of this meeting, nor what actions the villagers intend to do in order to preserve the building and surrounding areas.
How sad that there is now a very real possibility that Lady Llanover's lovely, historic little Welsh Church in Abercarn Village (currently used by the Church in Wales) may close as early as January 2012. My great grandparents (Welsh speakers, both) are buried there. How can we lose yet another link with our heritage??
I have people from my both families(Allaway and POwell) buried at the cemetery chapel of Ease and I remember as a small child climbing up the steep road to put flowers on their gravesalways on a Sunday
Thank you very much xx
Call 01495 226622 thats the number for the Civic Centre and ask to speak to someone re cemeteries. I hope this works.
Thank you, I really apprieciate that. Look forward to hearing from you again. Suzan
My sister will try and get that for yoou
Tonyspencer...I dont suppose you could forward me there num could you. I would be so gratefull if you could. Suzan
I have been to the cemetery, and have checked in at the office at the gatehouse, the records are kept there
My Gt Gt Grandparents are buried at abercarn. I visited the cemetry on the 15 Aug 09 hoping to locate there graves so I could take my grandfather later in the year (they brought him up) but I couldnt locate them. The chapel of ease was closed and there was no one around to ask. I travelled the 230 miles home disapointed. Can anyone suggest or help me locate there plot num? My grandfather is unsure if his grandfather was called James or George Symes, his nanna was called Elizabeth Symes and he thinks she passed away in 1958. Getting the info of the final resting place would be the best news as like I stated earlier, my grandfather wants to travel back to Abercarn and pay his respect to the people who brought him up. Thanks
I remember the long hard climb up chapel of Ease to the cemetery to put flowers on my grandparents` graves
It is lovely looking at these pictures,my father Bryn Williams was a local coal merchant from Abercarn. He took me there many times as a young lad for the showers to get all that dust of us, the memories are great thanks for the old pics.
Hi again. Just looked on the Abercarn list of victims and it says John 14 not Samuel 13. I know there have been mistakes made from what I read on the list submitted. Just would like to add to my wife's Williams' tree.
Are there any descendants of Daniel and Jennet (nee Plumber) Williams still living in Abercarn? Really would like to make contact.
Thank you Barbara. Now we know which Daniel and that two sons perished as well. What a horrific tragedy. Jehoida married Elizabeth Kelly (whose mother I believe was Sarah Smith; father Thomas Kelly) and they moved to NZ in 1920. Both sides of my maternal grandparents families were also miners but in the Rhondda.
Reading the comments on this page makes me understand the reasons for their leaving to find a better place for their children. Abercarn looks really picturesque.
Daniel Williams along with his sons William age 16, Samuel age 13 and Daniel was 51 all perished in the Abercarn diasaster 11th September 1878
Stupid me. I put this in the wrong place!!! Should have been here.
Hello. My wife's grandmother's father, Jehoida Williams was from Abercarn. In fact the family have been told he was born in the Chapel of Ease. His father Daniel Williams perished in the disater of 11th September 1878. We are trying to find out which of the two Daniel Williams involved. Daniel was married to Jennet. Is there any information held in Abercarn that can help. Thanks.
Hello Everyone just stubbled across this website and how interesting i have found it, i myself been doing some research into my ancestors and have now hit a brick wall.
I was hoping if anybody could assist, im trying to find out more about my Great Grandfather & Grandmother Henry & Alice Maria Williams (nee Walters) Henry was born around 1875 and lived at 2 Spiteful Row with step parents and was killed at Abercarn Colliery i think 5/4/1929, my Great Grandmother Alice Maria was born 1877 at Kinver in Staffordshire but moved to wales with her family to live at the chapel of ease.
Henry Williams was a coal hewer Thank you very much and any information would be brilliant
Hi Susan. I have only just returned to the site after all these months and saw your message. I have sent you an email so hope you get it! my email is email@example.com love Hilary
Pose your question on www.welshcoalmines.co.uk.
Contributors on the guestbook are very helpful.
My Grandfather's uncle, who may have been called McDonic, is said by my mother to have lived in Abercarn at a mine manager sometime before/ around World War 2. Apparently he was very unpopular (with Abercarn and my family!). My mother was sent to Abercarn as an evacuee. Her maiden name was Young, but she is Barbara Watkins now. If anyone has any information about McDonics or Youngs, I'd be interested to hear it.
hilary plz get in touch
the names are now right my e mail is firstname.lastname@example.org would love to hear from yu sue
Hi Susan, George and Gilbert were the brothers or my Great Grandma and I never knew anything about them until I started to do some family research. Not sure how we contact each other but we must be related - I hope they did get the names right although somewhere there is a correct list because thats how I found them on one via google maybe 18 months or more ago.
Hi am hoping someone maybe able to help me. I am looking for any infomation on my family. My grandfather was Colin Campbell Jones b.1916 Abercarn. Both his father Daniel Alfred Jones and Daniel Jones worked as coal miners/iorn workers according to the census reports. Can anyone tell me how to find out which mine in the area they worked for?
Can somone assist with any info regarding the Drowning of Ronald John ROSSITER in Abercarn in March 1912
havent been on for a while ceremony for abercarn diaster 29th july
just been told memorial stone going up for 1878 diaster
It was Ray Laurence, not Howells, and his address is 42 Markham Cresent, Oakdale, Blackwood. NP12 0JY. Book/folder is available at £8-99p
Can you let me know how I can get a copy of Ray Howells book about the Abercan colliery.
I just took delivery of a book on the disaster by Ray Howells and he has listed all those lost. There are two brothers named Gleade. Worth a look and the book is well worth its £8 cost as it documents many interesting facts and photographs.
Mary sends her best wishes.
Try contacting Caerphilly B.C.C Councillor Denver Preece to try to make the amedment BEFORE the stone is complete.
I would be intersested in the proposed date for the unveiling cermony.
just came bk on site, yes i am the susan gleed in school with mary, also been invited to the ceromany for the stone, they still have not got my g uncles, names right hope they do before ceremony
After many e-mails and contacts I have been able to find out that there is to be a memorial to those lost in The Prince of Wales disaster.
The information came from Cclr. Denver Preece, (Abercarn Ward) who has arranged through a valleys charity that a memorial is to be errected at Abercarn cemetary, along with headstones to commerate the remains of three unknown miners, remains, discovered just before the colliery was closed down.
Denver hopes to be able to unvail the memorial some time in 2010 or 2011. For further information, don't hesitate to contact Denver as he, along with others, has done some research inot the disaster.
i am susan gleed
Your comments echo the thoughts of many Abercarn people, though such a memorial would take a huge effort to even commence the funding.
As an aside, my wife Mary (nee Tooze) was very friendly with a Susan Gleede from Wattsville area. Any connection?
i wish they would put a memorial to the miners of 1878, my 2 great uncles were killed, george and gilbert gleed
The district was traditionally associated with the coal mining collieries, ironworks and tinplate works of the South Wales coalfield and South Wales Valleys, although all have now closed; the town, which lies in the middle portion of the Ebbw valley, being situated on the south-eastern flank of the once great mining region of Glamorgan and Monmouthshire .
Hello Again, David...I just read your comment and realized that you tried to send me the pictures. Somehow we are not connecting through my email. Thank you for all you are trying to do to help me get those pictures. I have sent you several emails...did you get them?
Hello David, This is Linda and Bob from California. I am looking for pictures of Shop Row. Does anyone have any?
Hi David.Thank you for your e-mail.I spoke to our Dai to day and i mentioned that you was inquiring about him,he does remember you.At present he is at home,health wise he is not doing to bad,his walking with the aid of sticks.But is getting around the house okay.Keith Banwell generally picks him up in his car and take him to our Roses home which is in newport.But for the most part he is in Abercarn.Home you are okay.
Hello Glyn sorry to hear about your Dai i hope he gets better soon.He and i always had a good chat in the village useually in the paper shop on a sunday deciding which paper was offering not the best news but the best DVD. I have been in touch with a lady from America ( Linda Parker ) enquiring about SHOP ROW and i sent her photos out of your fathers book.
let me know how Dai is getting on.
Hello Brian.Thank you for your quick response to my e-mail Actually i was over visiting my Brother,hes been in hospital with a double stroke.At the moment hes in Ystrad Mynach hospital.My sister Rose visits him every day.Not sure if he will return to Chapel street,but hes making good progress from when i visited him in the gwent.Yes Abercarn has changed quite a lot.But i guess people don't.Met with Nobby and casey he will never change neither will nobby peter of pan of abercarn,and the rest of the lads.I also visited Doc but unfortunately didn't have much time for visiting this time around.The wife and i do really enjoy living in Canada but still remember where we came from.I do believe my dad has some really old photos of abercarn he always took photos of different places.I think our David has them now.I found this site by accident while on the internet,its very interesting.My wife is actually in newport at the moment visitng her dad who is not very well.Thats one of the draw backs of living so far away from you family memebers.But we have built our own family in Canada.We have three big boys 31,26,and 18.All doing well they played some sports but not rugby.Anyway Brian thanks for the e-mail will be checking this site for more new news.
Of coarse you are remebered in Abercarn, and particularly by those that played rugby for Abercarn.
I see your brother frequently and always think of you when I see him.
Weundoubtedly had great times playing rugby for the village in which we grew up and there is now a move afoot to hold regular reunions for ex-players, but I guess Alberta is a bit too far to travel!
Take care aand best wishes to you and your family.
2010-10-09 Hello Brian.Not sure if you remember me brian but we use to play for abercarn many years ago,i also use to work with your dad at the south pit.I am still living in Canada been here 30 years this year.I still visit abercarn as much as possible.Nobby and the lads are still kicking around.I was just looking through the internet when i found this site very inertesting.Espescialy looking at the old photos and remembering aberacrn as it was when i was growing up.One shop which was not mentioned was John's cafe.That was a busy place.
My grand mothers brother Herbert Lewis worked in Abercarn Tin Works.
Can anyone recall him?
Its good to hear from you.
Mam is the last of the women to work in the Tin Works as all her female co-workers have now passed away. Like you she has many fond memories of Abercarn and particularly her time spent in the Tin Works.
Yes, I remember your mother with great affection along with Vera, Ivy Mona, Rita and Esme along with Mary Roach.
I now live in Weybridge, Surrey but am still very interested in the history of Abercan and its environs. The pictures on this websie have brought back many memories.
You're correct. My mother is Glenys Hollister and her parents, Stan nad Kath lived near your home in Llanover street before moving all the way to Railway Terrace.
Brian, you say that you lived in Mount Pleasant, am I right in thinking that your mother worked in tin works and your grandparents lived in Llanover Street?
Many agree with Barbara's comments and the disappointment that local councilors thought their names should be imortalised as they were the people responsible for the memorial at the entrance to the industrial estate named after the Prince of Wales Colliery. There are many who think the memorial should include the names of those poor souls lost in the disaster of 1876.
My Ancestor was killed in the Prince Of Wales Pit Disaster, there are those that sadly were never brought out from underground. And on the site there are names of local councillors but not one memorial to mark the loss of those that died.
The large factory in the centre of the photograph was known as The Tin Works. The row of houses to the left of the works is Mount Pleasant where I lived from early 1950's until 1970. Many fond memories. The chimney in the back ground is the last remnants of The Prince of Wales Colliery where, in 1878 the worlds worst mining disaster occured due to explosion. the owners had to turn the nearby canal waters into the mine following exhaustive attempts to rescue those buried.
Hi Brian.Yes i did hear about the passing of Ted,he lived in chapel street the same street that i grew up in.I can remeber him abd Allan Talbot building the two houses at the end of the street.I also played rugby against him when i played for Abercarn.I would imagine he had a good send off.Hope things are okay with you and your family.Not sure what's the name of my dads book was,but there is some really good photos of abercarn in a book called old crumlin to pontymister vol 1 and vol 2.Bye for now.
A message for Glyn Jones,
Glyn, i am sure you will be sad to hear that Ted Price pased away recently his funeral will be this Friday 8/2/13
Hi Derek.Its been quite some time since we have met,at present i am living in Canada,been here since 1980.Maried with three boys.Not to far away from retiring.I do visit wales not as offen as i would like to.Last time over 2010.Hope to make a trip next year.Hope everyone in your family is doing okay.Send us an e-mail when you receive this one.
oops meant 22
Hi I lived in Mount Pleasant no 19 and there was only one more ie 20. So could number 21 be an error? Ill try and make some enquiries.. What was their christian names?
Hi all,I am from New Zealand and have this same photo,looks like someone lived last house on left at the top of hill,card belonged to my grandparents whom came from this area,they also had a connection to 22 Mount Pleasent Terrace but they left Wales in 1926 for NZ.Their name was Chivers.Would love to hear from anyone.
Hi Glyn, Derek Hughes here from 11 Maple Terrace. Where are you living now? you may remember I joined the RAF in 71 and now live in Plymouth Devon. I miss the valleys a lot and will be up there tomorrow to soak up the air andt watch Newbridge RFC.
Hi Phil.Chapel street is the last row of houses near the abercarn cemetery.At the end of chapel street their is a white chapel.there are 9 terrace houses in total.Then there are three houses near the wooded area.Ted Price actually lives in one of them.And Brian Jones lives in another.Chapel street is part of chapel-of-ease.You climb the steep hill from high medow and its your last turning on the left.I used to live in #6.There use to be park located at the rear of the street.
I must be getting old, can someone tell me where Chapel Street is/was?
2010 10 9 Hello Allan.This is glyn jones,i use to live in chapel street.We use to go to school together many years ago.Abercarn has changed quite alot over the years.i am now living in Canada Alberta mining oil not coal,still the black product i guess.
remebr them all..... 19 mount pleasant i lived . grassy green lives over Usk and the james boys still local Darren still lives in 23 llanover st i beleieve.im still the scout leader coming up to 40 years since instructor! i now live in Ponllanfraith
I remember you but can't place where you lived exactly. Yes my dad ran the scouts and my mum the cubs in Abercarn. I think you may be a little older than me, about my brothers age because I was a cub. Dad took the scouts on camp and I visited. Can only remember Mike Pugh and "Grassy" Green from there. Are you still living in that area? if so do you re-call a Jeremy Thomas or The James brothers - Nigel, John,Ken and Darren I think ? Or the Skiltons who lived opposite the pub? Any news on the whereabouts of any of these would be welcome.
CARL I REMEBR YOU AND BROTHER BYRON? BOTTOM OF ISLWYN STREET! FATHER WAS MY SCOUT LEADER. 1ST CAMP IN BARBROOK AND DADS LORRY BROUGHT EQUIPMENT I BELEIVE
Thanks to Brian for his kind annswer to my query. I dont know if its the same Mrs Davey as I think mine would be older than 90, now.
The Mrs. Davey I remember would now be approximately 90 years of age. I don't know what happened to her, or her siblings, but the family is remembered for their spirited and friendly way of life. The boys were competative in everthing, whilst Mrs. Davey was a kind and generously loving person that talked to everyone passing The Ranks or whislt shopping in Abercarn.
I`d be interested to know what Mrs Davey is remembered for. Mine lived to be over 90 and was living in the old people`s home in Risca.
Yes Grace and Jake Davey lived in the middle row, also had a daughter Jean. I think Sylvia is talking about
another family of Davey's though
I remember Glyn and Colin Davey and I think they had a sister, but not sure. Thier mother, "Mrs Davey" is fondly remembered. Both sons played for Abercarn Rangers, when they were a strong Gwent club. Both were also characters of note!
Does anyone remember the DAVEY family who lived in the Ranks-my great auntie Anna, uncle Ivan Glenys was one of their children
I too lived opposite the council offices, a proud resident of the Ranks, and yes I ate scrumps
..lived opposite the council offices..woke up looking at the Angel of Mons!
Yes, I used to live in West End, my family kept the shop next to the PO - Lee's shop. We used to live in Llanover street before we moved into Tregarn, the opposite side to Ty Gwyn. I now live in Weybridge, Surrey but still have lots of family in the Abercarn area.
Thanks Phillip, I was racking my brains over that. Are you an old west-endian? If so do you still live there?
Uncle Tom was Tom Jenkins who lived in Llanover street and was a big member at Cae Golan Baptist Church.
This view brings back a lot of great memories for me. I lived in Islwyn st. and had a friend who lived in Pantyresk rd. The west-end was a lovely place to grow up, plenty of open space and those mysterious wooded mountains. Had some great friends and remember well the bakers,butchers,mace shop, Andrews shop , the ironmongers and the post office in the high st.My father started a youth club for the kids in west-end as well as being skip for the scouts-anyone remember? Also does anyone remember a great character known as Uncle Tom who used to take us carol singing every christmas all round the village? I would dearly love to make contact with annyone who remembers me from Ty-Gwyn, Islwn St.
I live at pantyresk!
Glad to hear the family is well, though I thought you would have made it to Commissioner of Scouts by now!
TWINS OK MARRIED. JAN HAS SON 9 Y/O
SCOUTS AT ABERCARN STILL THERE ! YOU AND FAMILY OK?
I certainly do remember the sack of sheep's droppings. It was usually me that had to collect it!
How are things with you and the twins? Still involved with Scouting?
Give my regards to your family
LAST MESSAGE WAS FOR PHILLIP.
BY THE WAY BRIAN........... REMEMBER YOUR DADS BARREL OF MANURED WATER HE USED FOR HIS GARDEN? SHEEP MANURE IN COALBAG!
HI there remember the boxing on the land near your house?
Thanks, I know Malcolm quite well and he along with many others at the club would welcome any memories or artifacts to do with the clubs history.
my ex husband runs abercarn rugby club im sure if you ring he would help you
is name is malcolm
Hia Phillip. Good to recognise a familiar name on the site. I'm sure that you, like me, remeber the scenes in the photographs and enjoy the reminders of our childhood. I am researching Abercarn RFC's history, which is very limited. Would your family have any memories or momento's of the club, particularly those of your Grand-father "Con."
I used to live in High St. When we were told in school to draw what was outside my bedroom window I had a terrible row for drawing a castle!! It was of course St Lukes church
Centre of the scene is Saint Luke's Church. The row of houses to the front of the churh is High Street, Aberc an. The large building at the end of High St. is The Garn Congregational churh and behind that it looks like the building that was Abercarn Urban District Council Offices and Gwyddon Secondry Modern School..
Left of the scene is Abercarn quarry and above that is Llanfach
hI i remember your uncle fitting me out for a suit when i was little... and buying my fi
rst pinkish Ben Sherman at Griff Davies menswear shop next to Howards cafe.... memories
Yes Uncle Allan worked in the mens shop in West End/Abercarn before moving to C&A in Newport. I know the name Garrod but not sure what his connection was to the family. They all looked the same and were very close family so couldn't remember who fitted with who. My Grandfather was Joseph Lee youngest brother to Auntie Lizzy (who I can remember). I would appreciate any help you can give. Send me your email, to email@example.com I could send you what I have already and see if you could fill in the gaps and amend any errors.
Catherine, myself and Norm who you have been communicating with are brothers, the sons of Connie Williams daughter of Mary Elizabeth Beard "nee" Lee.
was your dad or an uncle the manager of a very posh shop in Newport ?
If you would like more detailed family information i can easily visit Garrod Lee,as far as i can remember his dad was Joseph but he died many years ago when i was a child
I wondered who Muriel's mother was, now I know. I do remember the name Garrod but not sure where he fits in. Thanks for the info Norm.
my grandmother was married to arthur beard and they had three daughters muriel,dorothy and connie ,garrard lee still lives in cwmcarn.
Norm, it would be great to hear from you if you know any further information about the Lee and Jones family. firstname.lastname@example.org
my grandmother was a lee from west end and I think it was her sisters aud and em who had the shop opposite salters?
Elaine my grand family had the grocery shops and Brian I remember the bakery in the back lane. My grandfather Jospeh Cyril was the youngest of the Lee children and lived most of his married life 'up the' Spiteful.
Older Joseph Lee used to live with his mother at 4 Iron Row Abercarn. Can anyone shed any light as to where this was situated. I always assumed it was over the river near the gas works.
Brian - I am indeed related to David in Cefn Forest, as I have recently discovered. His father Gwyn was my cousin, and I well remember him as a baby in Shop Row. I recently joined Facebook, and now find myself 'Friends' with loads of sons/daughters and even grandchildren of cousins
My Mam still lives in West End, Mary Johnson, and she used to work in the Haberdashery Shop in Abercarn before she married. Our house was 2 doors up from the Post Office and one up from Lees Grocery Shop. West End used to be a thriving little village with a newsagents (Hoff's), 2 butchers, (Fletchers and Rees), 3 grocery shops, (Lucas/Dot James, Salters, Danny's), Haberdashery (Pike), Dress Shop (Grace Rees), Hardware Store (Marian's), Betting Shop, Penar Working Mens Club and The Crown. Those were the good old days. Does anyone remember the big bonfires they used to have up West End park? If you were old enough you were allowed inside the fire's 'den' before it was burnt on 5th November. Just remembered there were 2 bakeries aswell - Thompsons and Edwards - Thompsons in Woodland Terrace and Edwards at the bottom of the school hill by Llanover Street. Gosh I could spend ages reminising but time goes on .......
Brian Williams,Yes I can remember the day the train run up over the banking by the bridge.I run back towards Chapel of Ease.I was on my way to West End junior school,and my used to stand and wave from 1 Sycamore Terrace and she saw it happen as well.
Well done Alan, there was also a haberdashery shop opposite Johns's cafe run by Mrs. Coles she had a son who went to Newbridge grammer school, but i cannot remember his name. There was also a funny little paper shop opposite the Salvation army run by a lady by the name of Howells i believe.
I completely forgot about Brian Edwards bakery, he was located in the lane leading up to West End junior and infants school wasnt he?, he had a son a bit younger than me, my brother recalls him better than me as they were the same age,
I recall Ollie Thorne delivering his produce around the village did he live at the top of Llanover street in West End on the junction with Cae Gorllan? or am i mixing him up with someone else?.
Can anyone remember the day the train of coal piled up under the bridge top of Llanover street ?
Don Haines are you any relation to Dai Haines from Cefn Fforest by any chance? he lived at Shop Row when he was a very young child
Olly Thorne - a good friend from Chapel of Ease Baptist Church! Before he had the shop next to the barbers, for donkey's years he was a bakers roundsman for Edwards Bakeries, West End. I used to help out on his van in the school holidays - I could tell a tale or two!
In the days when the Abercarn picture house was still standing, on its south side there used to be a haberdashers - dead opposite the Sally Army Hall. Incidentally, t]between the Sally Army and this shop was the access to the Tinplaters Welfare Hall - we used to get marched down there from Gwyddon Infants for dinners. One of my sisters had her wedding reception there. Somewhere near there, on the other side of the main road, was Howells paper shop
Oliver thorne nextto jimmy parsonsthe barber, was the forerunner of the internet!!!ordering groceries on line and delivery to the door is such a high tech advanced way of life! My mother did nt have a pc in the 50s! lol yet he delivered the groceries on a Friday based on what she had the previous week and if you wanted something in the meantime a call to him would ensure an updated delivery on the Friday!
yes thanks, all well and the seasons greetings to you and yours, you provoked a real trip down memory lane with your very full reply , thank you for taking the time, just proves what sevice we had with the retail outlets alone in Abercarn, and dare i say how much better things seemed in those days or it that rose coloured hindsight?
Hi Brian here goes....The Howards were the sisters, one married a Hoskins and Charles was the son.next to con club was shoe shop briggs and carnells electrical shop,then MIdland Bank before Hammetts and Barclays the top end. Jones shop was near the railway bridge/river.Elliot was the son,Opposite Central Hall was Reg smith Butchers (leannes dad)later became a fruit shop then a bookies and the Forge Hammer pub.next to Vinces was Foxons hardware opposite that was Englands shoe shop,up from there Brays Butchers, Edgars barbers,post office,, wool shop -John beachams mum worked there,the Griff Davies gents outfitters,oposite was Ikey brests furniture and across the distillery Shorts cobblers,and down where bus stop by library was Bennetts newsagent.Opposite howards was Perks grocers, and next to that the chemist where Terry Haywards mum worked,and opposite zebra crossing Jones and Porters,John Francis cafe and "flipper " machine by the bus stop! when i went to Bardi in Italy few years ago now he was still around but lived further up the mountain..and i was running too late to have the time to pop up... Hope You and family are keeping well? Seasons greetings.
Just a small mental excercise for the older contributors,can anyone recall the total number of shops and commercial premises in Abercarn and West End in the fifties,
just on Bridge street alone i can recall Lees fruit and veg, a cobblers, Merediths barbers shop, was it Ikey Brests shop on the corner or was it opposite where the chemist is now?.
What other shops were in Abercarn i have wracked my brain but cannot recall who the two sisters were who kept the cafe.
Coming on down towards West End there was a couple of shops opposite Central Hall , then Wallace Jones garage where they kept the delivery van before they had the new building [now Burles windows] erected, then Hammets newsagents and tobacconist, is the daughter Bronwen?then two banks either side of the rear lane to Canal Terrace, then a shop but i cannot recall what was sold there then Parkmans,
the Con club, Wallace Jones shop then the warehouse already mentioned next a little shop that is now part of Dean Walkers concrete yard then under the railway bridge to the Crown pub, Hophni Williams had a shop now run by his grandson, opposite that on the end of Woodland terrace was Fletchers butchers then Jim Lucas later the recently deceased Dot James had a general shop, next up the post office, then Lees other shop Grace Rees had a dress and fabric shop then Aaron Rees had a butchers shop with an abattoir to the rear, can anyone else remember the lorries delivering pigs and sheep and them being taken up the narrow gully to the park? opposite the butchers a hardware shop Mrs Thomas ? over the other side on the bottom of Llanover street the Pennar , then when of course betting was legalised in the early sixties a bookmaker opened a shop then Danny Williams had a little sweet and cigarette shop then on the corner Mrs Pike had quite a big general shop.Can anyone fill in the blanks especially Abercarn centre, just remembered Foxons garage
The Salvation Army Hall was sited at the south end of Abercarn vilage. The village has changed greatly since the hall was used but I would estimate the hall was on the site that is currently a car sales business.
Where in Abercarn was the Salvation Army hall? Does the building still stand? Also was there a Salvation Army in Cwmcarn too?
Hi Linda. I am not sure if the information i have is of relevance. But it could very well be! However, if you want me to elucidate further, I would prefer to use direct communication through my email address.
Thank you for your response. I just know that the family that I am trying to learn more about were Leah Lewis and William Waters. I do not know what happened to them. I am trying to learn more. They had a daughter Margaret that married a Robert LIttlehales and then went to America.
Hi Linda Parker
I remember a family with the name Waters that lived on Commercial Road and not far from shop Row in the 1940's 50's and early sixties. Maybe this is the family you are trying to trace. Kindly let me know?
I am trying to learn about my family who lived on Shop Row in the 1800s. The last name was Waters (Walters was another spelling. I am searching for information and pictures of Shop Row. Does anyone know anything.
Memory is a funny old thing! Now you have named the brothers, of course the names and faces come back. Many thanks.
Brian Watkins, son of Glenys Hollister.
My great auntie Gertie and her husband George Lane lived at the spiteful before they moved to Chaoel Farm
Remember the fish shop ...who ate scrumps?
There were other brothers besides Jack - Harry, Tom, Bill, and my father Irving, known to all as 'Shilling'
What a grerat time we had in Abercarn during the late 50's and into the 70's. Vince Conti's fish, chips and scrumps were a treat, Howards Cafe a place where the older kids drank coffee and played the juke box, and John's Cafe, where the best ever steamed pies and pasties were a regular treat. All this in one village!
The Spiteful is still a small hamlet sited above Abercarn Welfare grounds. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was so called due to some kind of toll gate/bridge that existed on the old tram line and the reputation of a spiteful toll by the owners lent the name to the area. I'm sure there are others that have an exact knowledge of the name, and look forward to thier contibution here.
john Franchi, who owned the Cafe, worked for The Resistance, during The War. He was from Bardi the same region in Italy Vince came from.He and I were great friends, we used to go to Cardiff to seeThe Fights. When he went to Blackpool We lost contact. John had a nephew Aldo, Who went to Birmingham. John retired to Aberdare and then I think back to Italy.
If you walked along the side of the railway line from Abercarn to Cwmcarn there was a little hamlet tucked away in a cleft of the mountain refered to by the locals in West End as "The Spiteful" which always seemed a little unfair.Has anyone else heard of this place and would anyone know how it came by its unfortunate nick-name?
Wish I had been able to see uncle Des play, but my dad got involved with ARFC in the late 1950's, so I missed him playing. I remeber aunty Pegs family living in Cwmcarn, in particular her sister who married into the Baraby family. I remeber her brother Jack and his family living in West End, but I have no memory of your dad - pity, as I'm sure I would have liked him as he followed Abercarn!
How are things? The "old man" OK? still chasing those dogs around the country?
I see you were on about Vincent Conti. Remember going to Blackpool quite a few years ago when children were smaller and going into a cafe and who should serve us but Vince. He had moved there with his wife and family - still made good chips.
Brian - Des Hollister was my uncle too!! His wife Peg was my dad's sister - small world. I remember my father taking me to watch Abercarn play in the days when Des played.
I remember Vince too! I can see his face now - round faced Italian bloke and very tolerant of us kids who used to hang around the chip shop. Round the sorner was Howard's Cafe, wherea lad could buy a single woodbine and a match!
Thats right, I think it was his son
Yeh, Mr. Short was a typical cobbler, greying hair, rosey cheeks and generally a nice guy. I think I can remember his shop as part building and part corrugated tin sheets! Did he move his shop to the entrance to The Distillery Park, or was that another cobbler?
Do you remember the Cobblers between the canal and Foxons, I think his name was Mr Short.
Don, Excellent description and memory of Abercarn. Youre correct in saying Foxon's garage was at the end of Abercarn village, on the way to Cwmcarn, but there was also Foxon's "garage" and hard ware store, selling petrol which was sited across the canal from The Central Hall. The shop was typical of the times, as it was dark and shrouded in mystery to a young boy like me! I can remember them selling petrol from this shop, with a hand turned pump delivering petrol to the few cars in the area. Next door to this shop was Vince's fish andd chip shop(Now a good quality Chinese takeaway) Vince's scrumps were always a treat.
To the best of my memory, John's Cafe was situated underneath the old Abercarn picture place, and south of that was the Salvation Army Hall. Below that was the scout hut, and below that was Foxon's garage - some way from Central Hall. Incidentally, around 25 years ago I photocopied the Swansea Library originals of the Western Mail accounts of the Prince of Wales colliery disaster - their reporters description of the day after, and the day after that etc. Chilling reading, but also very poetic reading, in an almost Dickensian style.
Hi Sian the Rock of Ages still exists i found it when taking my scouts to show them the rock that i used to go to when i was a child lol It set amongst deep pine woodland but has dark green carpet of grass /moss all around it...sunlight shone down through treetops onto the place looked impressive yet surreal
Many thanks for the information - spot on. It helped my uncle confirm it was the school he attended.
Pat, if i have the rght person you lived in Troed-y-Rhiw West End ? i cannot recall your mams name but your dad was a Scot called Gordon who drove the winder at Celynen South colliery.
You will recall my mam as she was quite good freinds with your mam, she was Connie Williams we lived on Llanover Street next to the Pennar club, if this is you i have a class photo taken at West End school about that time.
john kimberly ,yes police station and court right next to gwyddon school and canal 150yds away and yes gwyddon road next to school does rise up about 1in 10.
glad to be of service.
I've passed on the information that you gave me about the possible name of the school, but my uncle still seems a bit unsure. His recollection is that there was a police station and a canal near by. Also, it might have been at the bottom of a hill. Does that description fit one of the schools you mentioned?
am looking for any /all information/pics of west end school,but whatever sites i visit, it seems that this school did not exsist, and i know it did because i went there lol, would particularily be interested in old 1964 class photo,s, thank you for taking the time to read this, hopefully someone out there has some
Many thanks for the reply Norm. When I visit my uncle this week I'll ask him if either of the names is the school he went to, and I'll let you know his reply.
school was probably West end infants or could have been Gwyddon school(pronounced"gwithon".
I wonder if anyone could help me with some information. I have an uncle, now 78, who was evacuated to Abercarn in 1940. He tells me he was there for 5 years and went to the local school, but can't remember the name of it. He is now bedridden with MS, so it would be very nice if someone could help me out and provide me with the name to pass on to him. He must have been about 5 when he began at the school and must have been there until he was about 10 when he returned home to Birmingham. His name is James Cobbett, and his sister, Marian was with him at the time.
hello cuz, havn,t seen you since nans funeral still wearing the collar then?
The Rock of Ages as it was known by generations of West End kids is immediately above the bungalows off Pant y resk road on the lane to Tyle Y Coch house, unfortunately the mountain was planted with conifers, i have looked on Google earth but couldnt accurately pin point its location
I should have said I also remember your uncle Geriant.
LR and your grandmother were well loved in the Garn and in the West End/ Abercarn area.
That means your father is Garth Davies. I knew your grandfather, (LR) as he was known, your grandmother and mother so well back many years ago. In fact I knew your other grandparents as well, Mr & Mrs W.J.? Davies, I used to deliver to them each friday from my aunts shop.
I have just discovered this site and am so pleased to see my grandparents mentioned in the account of the service at the Garn chapel.The organist Miss M Howells is my mother and the minister Lewis R Howells was my grandfather. My father was born in Cae Gorlan Street. Can anyone tell me how to get to the rock of ages that my dad always talked about?
Hi Kath Hollister.Not sure if you remember me my name is Glyn Jones,i lived in Chapel street,Ian and I used to attend cwmcarn school,and hung out together during the day.I remember Ian when he started to play the piano he was having lesssons in cwmcarn.Please give him my regards if he stills remember me.I have moved to Canada and have lived here for 32 years.I have visited Abercarn and had a few drinks in the pennar just behind where you use to live in west end.I generally visit with Nobby Way.Anyway if you find the time please reply.This is a good info site to make contact with old friends.
hi kath sure is she be going there be a lot there it be agood nite
Hello. My wife's grandmother's father, Jehoida Williams was from Abercarn. In fact the family have been told he was born in the Chapel of Ease. His father Daniel Williams perished in the disater of 11th September 1878. We are trying to find out which of the two Daniel Williams involved. Daniel was married to Jennet. Is there any information held in Abercarn that can help. Thanks.
@ Keith . . . do you have a sister called Margaret ? (I was in school at Cwmcarn Comp with a Margaret Tiley - we were good friends for a few years). If so tell her we have a school reunion lined up for 30th June at Abercarn Rugby Club. Classes of 1979 to 1985 ish !! All welcome - check out the page on Facebook events.
@ Brian Williams . . .yes Ian Hollister ismy big brother. He's good. Lives with his wife in Cwmbran and works in Risca. Still dreams of making it big with a rock band. Once a rocker, always a rocker . . . or is it off his rocker. And at cousin Brian, Dad would NEVER pay anyone to light a fire . . . he'd make one of our boys do it for free !! Jack Preen was usually always last (I remembver my dad running past him even though he lived fa few doors further away. He be laughing as he passed him and shout 'come on Jacko' . . . . heh heh
sorry keith tiley not tile
hi kath they were great days then you want beat them.when i was in westend school we used to hav trips down to the fire station in westend .what fun and the old common fire engine what a machine.
Des was only second, cos he'd probably been busy lighting the grass fire or at least getting the local boys to do it! Only kidding Kath!
stating the bleeding obvious but if Des Hollisters your father, Ian is your brother, you might recall me as i played with Ian, Nigel James, Ken James, Rod Short etc, how is Ian? does he live local now? on the cruise boats playing keyboards last i heard,
Now if i recall correctly Cyril Coles was usually first in, then Des, Jack Preen then either Ron James from Mt Pleasant or Phil Jones father from Islwyn street brought up the rear, just as a point of interest i started on the retained at Abercarn just your dad was finishing Happy days indeed
Great memories of West End and Abercarn . . . Jack Hadfield's - my first bike (3 wheels, well I was only 3 or 4), and a few others after that.. Howards Cafe - a change from school dinners in the first two year of school at the Gwyddon Annexe of Cwmcarn Comprehensive School - Soup (with bones in it! and steamed pies and pasties !!!). Conti's Chip Shop - (taught mysefl pinball); Rock of Ages - Heaven on earth, literally, summer or winter. 'the Cutting' - playing football, come rain or shine (yes i was a tomboy and a great footballer !); Bonfire Nights in the Park - bigger bonfires than those up the Rhysswg - how long could we keep it going (with jacket potatoes, and roast chestnuts until we were sick); Playing 'kick the tin' opposite The Crown pub; hearing the siren go off at Abercarn Fire Station and watching the retained fireman run to the station to 'catch a shout' - cheering on my dad, Des Hollister, betting on whose dad would be last - you know who you are !!). Fresh bread from Edwards bakery (my nan and bamp lived right by there, the smell of bread a constant temptation). Abercarn Rugby Club - my dad's name on the Captain's board, and my first reluctant and hesitant steps into 'singing' on a Saturday night with my brother Ian !); Beans and chips at Aunty Bessies and Uncle Jacks; Sunday mornings - the visit of my ma's brothers for tea or coffee before their regular visit to 'church'(Nantpennar WMC). all still makes me smile :-)
Could I suggest this item be posted on the Oakdale page of this site?
Hi i am looking for anu information on a leslie williams who lives at 3 penrhiw avanue oakdale monmouthshire, he was adopted by mr and miss williams whom i dont have any details either, i do know that leslie had a sister named ann. he was adopted in 1928, his birth mothers names is gladys brown. any information would be helpful ive been trying to located information for a while and have not succeed. I if u could email me at email@example.com. thankyou so much for any help
Don't worry , if I ever get back to West End some time you'll be the first person I'll call on! We had some great times back then didn't we, it would be great to catch up. I thought Michael Garland moved up north? he must have missed the place as much as I do to have moved back! One thing I was going to ask you was if you have any school photos of us in primary or junior school could you post them on your facebook page as I lost all mine during a move. Keep in touch and hope to see you soon, Carl.
From the 1861 census my g,g,grandfather David Griffiths was living at a place called "Old Machine" Abercarn.
Does anyone have any information about this place?
Hi carl if you do get back to west end give me a call, they are right west end and the surrounding area has changed a lot since you left, just very good memories of our child hood. Ken james still lives in abercarn in mountpleasent, remember mike garland he was living in newbridge i have not seen him in years.
Yes, my gran was quite a character and I think there are a few old West-Enders that would remember her. The black dog was a labrador called Prince and he was my best buddy back in those innocent and carefree days. Sorry to say I can't quite place you. Did we go to school together back then? I have recently made contact via the marvel of social networks with some other friends from back then, Jeremy Thomas and Trevor and Lesley Skilton. Remember them? I really must get back to West End some time to see our old house Ty-Gwyn and look at the changes you mentioned. Speak to you soon. Carl.
Carl Leaman, I remember you and your family - especially your Grandmother and the big black dog. My maiden name is Johnson and I lived in Islwyn St and my friend, Bonnie, lived in 11 Danyrhiw Terr, which I saw mentioned in another comment by the person who recently bought it. I still live in West End but oh my, has it changed!! My mother still lives by the Post Office (although like many others in the country it was closed and now just functions as a newsagents and general store). Cae Gorlan Chapel is still going but only has about 10 regular attendees. The old school site is covered with houses and the old colliery, Celyn South, is a housing estate. The rail link between Ebbw Vale and Cardiff has been reopened, although sadly Abercarn's station was not! The river Ebbw runs clear and, yes, actually has salmon as well as trout in its waters. Although the water is clear there is an awful lot of rubbish which gets caught on the low lying shrubs and trees and just looks unsightly. The surrounding hills and forestry is as beautiful and lush as ever but the residental areas look old and tired.
Hi, In answer to a previous question posted Ty-Gwyn of Islwyn Street is still standing and was my childhood home and is still the family home. It was bought by my mother in 1992 and renovated, she is from Chapel of Ease and a decendant of the Ridds / Packers / Parfitts. I have just bought 11 Dany-Rhiw Terrace, one of the Railway Cottages at the end of the street and have just spent a year renovating it - it hadn't been touched still had all the fires and flagstones etc. Could anyone give me any history about these buildings. All I have found out is that they were some of the first built in Abercarn and were built by Monmouthsire Railway and Canal company but I know nothing else.
Thanks in anticipation,
Mygreat grandfather was Robert Roberts, he was the Station Master at Abercarn, the youngest in the country apparently he was 27. His son Brynley became a Teacher and a Baptist Minister. I don't know what happened to his sister Edith. I live in Hertfordshire but hope to visit Abercarn with my brother, who has a passion for trains, next year. It looks a lovely little place from the photos
My sister`s mother-in-law Mrs Clara ROCHE lived in 24 Woodland Terrace in the 50`s and 60`s
Hi I said that I would love to know any info on Woodland Terrace Via email, but I forgot to leave my email.......firstname.lastname@example.org here's hoping that someone has info on Woodland Terrace!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have lived in Abercarn for the last 20 yrs, I believe the building in question burnt down, I live in woodland terrace...and would love to know any information on the street....via email
went to memorial for abercarn miners diaster 1878 to see the names on the stone was awe inspiring but wonderful it as been done at last
I also lived in Ty-Gwyn from about 1963 to 1973. Last time I went back to West End the path to the rock of ages was overgrown but I remember camping next to it with 2 friends when I was a lad. Does anyone remember the big bonfire we used to make in West End each year for Guy Fawkes night ? Great community spirit in those days.
I was born in Tylacoch house West End then moved into The Firs Islwyn St about 1953 Mrs Evans lived at Ty Gwyn then I moved away 1965 ,yes West End was a great place to grow up and the rock of ages and tylacoch wood hold lots of happy memories
Anyone else remember a shop in Cwmcarn called Jack Hadfields? (not sure about the spelling) I used to walk there from West End as a lad for all things related to bikes, model kits or model railways etc. Does it still exist as a shop?
This is the first time I've been to this site... noticed you said that you lived at Clytha Square.
I know that this was a long time ago, but did you know Ivor Griffiths; he lived at 16 Clytha Square as I recall. He died in 1973.
Hello Alma! I remember you! I live in 3 Penrhiw-we went to the same school at the Gwyddon and West End! Your brother was Glyn? Lovely to hear from you
I used to live in 31 penrhiw.
I now live in Arizona.
Am I right in thinking that Mr Stan Davies (jr and snr) lived in Penrhiw Terrace? If so, I remember you both! My family lived (and I still live in Penrhiw Terrace!!
Though born in Tredegar Hospital, my first family home was Clytha Square Lanfach. What part of Llanfach are you from?
I was born llanfach and my dad worked at the colliery till he died in 69..his name was also stan davies Iwoould like to hear frm old friendsim in australia
Don is correct, there are fish in the Ebbw!
I believe they are trout, though I don't think they are edible, yet! They smell of the river when cooked!
There are also small families of malard living as far up as Llanhilleth so things are getting better, environmentally, though there is still a long way to go, to make it perfect.
The Ebbw runs clear these days, and there must be fish because there are heron !
When I was a lad in West End, the river Ebbw ran under a bridge near the fire-station. It used to be a variety of colours from dark brown to mucky grey and sometimes carried a Yellow froth, all down to polution I suppose. Does anyone know if it is now clean and even able to support marine life?
I looked at www.welshcoalmines.co.uk andfound that Cefn Coed Colliery was in a town called Skewen, in the Neath Valley. I'm sure someone on that site would welcome a look at or even a copy of your post cards. Please look on the site and enter "Collieries" It is enlightening!
I lived in Islwyn st. from about 1963 to 1973 in a house called Ty Gwyn. Best years of my life but have not been able to get back since. Does anyone know if the house is still standing? My father re-started the scouts and my mother the cubs in Abercarn. Anyone remember them? Joy and Chris Leaman? Fond memories of playing up the cutting and building the big bonfires every Nov. 5th up the park.
Thanks both - very helpful.
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Sorry I can't help in respect of printing, good to know that Havard Gregory is still alive. You made a comment in an earlier post about find out more on the Forward Movement. The Presbyterian Church of Wales based in Whitchurch could help you on this. I only know a small bit. But am still interested in Church History as I am a United Reformed Church minister in Weybridge Surrey and have always had a very strong link with the Congregational/United Reformed Church in Wales
Well thanks very much for that info. I know Havard Gregory as it happens - small world, isn't it! I've also received some wonderful newspaper cuttings from Lewis Collins - I'm very grateful to you both for all this information.
Now, can anyone tell me how I can print all these messages out please??
I really appreciate everyone's help. This is what the internet is for!
Yes, I was always told by my family (the Lee Family they had a shop on the West End) who were big members of Garn Congregational Church - now United Reformed - that it was through your Grandfather, Glyn, that the BBC light service made a live broadcast of Sunday Half Hour, a programme of hymn singing which is still on BBC Radio 2 . It was broadcast on Sunday 2nd October 1960 and was introduced by Havard Gregory ,Esq. The Conductor was Mrs M. Howells (Minister's wife) the Organist was Miss M. Howells (Minister's daughter) and the prayer and blessing give by the Minister - The Revd L.R. Howells
I know, because I was there for the broadcast.
Sorry, me again
Phillip, you mention my grandfather arranging a broadcast from the Garn - what is/was that please?
It's been a long time but I just want to thank Lewis and Phillip for their messages and help. I must do some digging to find out more about the Forward Movement.
Thanks very much both - will let you know if I have any more questions, or if I find out more.
Diolch yn fawr
Whilst very interested in mining history, I have no direct connections with Cefn Coed Colliery, though I expect you will find people from that area on www.welshcoalmines.co.uk that will be glad of the oportunity to view the photos.
I have been given some old postcards of Cefn Coed Colliery from my Grandfathers day at least 80 years ago. I am just wondering if maybe you know someone who woud be interested in them as you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on the subject.
Thank you for your help.
ROCK OF AGES? IT STILL EXISTS AND HIDDEN AMONGST LUCH GREEN GRASS MIDST PINE TREES....VERY MAGICAL!
You say that Glyn & Winnie - were married in the Welsh Free Presbyterian Church. That would have been Lady Llanovers Welsh Church and not the Central Hall Pres Church which was never described as "Welsh Presbyterian" it was built under the "Forward Movement" a building scheme by the Presbyterian Church of Wales.
Railway Cottages were at the end of Dany rhiw not far from the Crown PH.
When Revd Glyn P-J worked for the BBC he aranged Sunday Half Hour to be broadcast from the Garn.
I have recently been given some memorabilia of Abercarn and amongst this is a cutting from the local paper together with a photo of the wedding of the Rev. Glyn Parry- Jones to Miss Winifred Major at the Lady Llanover Church, Abercarn, (known locally as the Welsh Church) on 18th Oct 1932. Incidently the reception was held at Abercarn House, the former home of Lord & Lady Llanover. Winifreds parents lived at 'Elsmere' Pant-yr -Esk Rd. West End. I will be pleased to pass all to you.
Pen Rhiw Terrace is sited to the front of Llanfach and the rear of Persondy, two small communities within the village/town of Abercarn. The only Morgan family that I knew in my childhood, lived in Llanover Street at The West End. Mrs Morgan recently celebrated her 90th birthday at the Top Club in Abercarn. Her son, Gareth made all the arrangements. Same family?
I was born at 22 penreuh terr in abercarn (spelled wrong)my grandfather lived in the west end.
my father and some brothers worked in the coal mines, I was looking up facts on the Prince of Wales Disaster when i came across this site, very interesting, I have lived in Canada most of my adult lifebut still call Wales Home.
Thank you very much for taking the trouble to look. There are no more clues about the chapel on my grandparents' wedding certificate, but my grandmother's address is given as Ellesmere in Abercarn. My grandfather and great-grandfather were both Presbyterian ministers which is presumably why then chose to get married there - but what a pity it no longer seems to be there. I should come up on a recce one day. Thanks again
Have tried to find the information, but I have only been able to ascertain that the Prebytarian Church MAY have been what I knew in childhood as The Central Hall, which stood opposite Llewin Foxons hardware shop with just the canal separating both buildings. The hall has been demolished some years ago, but Foxons old shop has been replaced by a gardening and hardware store.
During the 1950's, Foxons shop was the only place in Abercarn to sell petrol, along with tools and general hardware.
Thanks fot that Brian.
This afternoon my father gave me a photo of my grandmother arriving for her wedding with her father. The sticker on the back suggests the photographer was Walter Foxon of Abercarn - "The Cheapest and Best House in the Valley for all kinds of Picture Framing"! The wedding took place at the Welsh Free Presbyterian Church in Abercarn on 18 October 1932. Can you tell me anything about the chapel?
I think Railway Cottages MAY be the front row on this picture. The right hand sideof this street was demolished by the early 1940's, leaving just a short street of some 10 homes. My uncle, Des Hollister lived there from the mid 40's. We memories of picking coal from trucks in the railway sidings and the short journey down the garden to the only toilet for the house.
My great grandparents - David Major and Annie Farr - lived in Railway Cottages in 1901, and David was a Railway Clerk. Would Railway Cottages be in this picture?
The view shows the West End with Railway Terrace to the fore with Llanover St, Islwyn St and Mynyddislwyn and The Rock of Ages at the rear.
Mount Pleasant is sited to the forward and left of this view, where I lived from the age of 4 in 1952 until 1970 when I married and moved to the Gwyddon(Opposite side of the village!)
When at #14 Mrs Lewis lived at #15 Johner Brookes at #16
Mrs Hall at #13
Mrs Hodges at # 12
It was always a friendly and neighbourly place to live and I believe it still is as some of the residents keep in contact after all this time.
My father was born in 1913 at #15 MT PLEASENT , West End Abercarn.
Would love to hear from someone livig there or near by.
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